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Camera - Where and how do I see and select items for prebuilt template?
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #1
As I understand it from being a Joomla user for 10 years the only time you can install the quick start package is on a blank site with a new installation of Joomla. I did not do that, but the docs say to reconfigure it is easy. It might be easy, but I do not see it.
When I view the module positions and look in the backend at the template sales, I see some of the old module positions have kept their positions. I don't mind changing things, but I just don't see how.
I'm using StageIt to wrangle the site into shape in order to get it ready to migrate to Joomla 4 but it is such a mess now that I don't dare go any farther and I can't give you access to the site because it needs the StageIt plugin
Thanks for any advice,
Carol Jones
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- leoalv Moderator
- 2 years 1 week ago #2
I have accessed your site and I really see a disaster, I don't know if you modified the template code or components, because the disaster is caused by an error in the DOM since you start with DIV when it should start with HTML, it has 2 HEAD tags, BODY when the tag is already open, many PARAGRAP (tag P) that are closed after other tags, is what I have seen in the source code of your site, I don't know if this comes from an edition of template files that you have done or from your articles and modules. to see it you can use Firefox and Ctrl/CMD + U, the errors are outlined in red.
When the tags do not close or are closed incorrectly, it is that all the content is nested, leaving a mess.
Want to install just the template on your existing site?
The demos are installed only with the installation of the quickstart package, If you want to replicate this on an existing site you have 2 ways:
1. Install quickstar and import your existing content to the new site.
2. On your existing site install the template, components, modules, plugins, etc (everything you are going to use), then install the quickstart package locally, to see how it is done and replicate it on your site.
I recommend the second option, Page builder homepages can be exported and then imported into your development site (explanations in the documentation)
To continue informing you I must know what you want to do.
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #3
First of all, I didn't modify the template code or anything myself or on purpose, however, that template (on my live site at mainefiberarts.org) has been broken in some way for a few years, ever since Joomla Bamboo was taken over by Joomlart who couldn't fix the template. Any time I tried to make changes the whole site went down front and back, and I had to roll back the entire site to an earlier day to get it back. I thought it was time to get a new template and migrate at the same time. So I started this process by creating a staging site to test it on and getting your Camera template (even though I'd like to use the other one, Ufolio).
I have already installed the Camera template components modules plugins and everything on my staging site (my live site is still working as well as it has been).The duplicate business and the mess you see must be caused by the "StageIt" component that creates a copy of the real site in a folder and lets you fiddle with that and gradually update the live site. You can see the live site if you take off the "/stageit" at the end of the link. It looks fine but it is not.
My real goal is to be able to migrate/update to Joomla 4 anyway. I thought it would be easier to install a working template on the current site that is compatible with 3 and 4, so that once everything was working on Jooomla 3 I could zoom right into Joomla 4. I first tried the migration on my staging site but it was, oh, so awful I went back to the original site and erased the StageIt version altogether, then created another one I've been fiddling with.
It makes me very nervous using that "StageIt" plugin/component/whatever it is, because you are right, it has created a monster mess for me to figure out, partly because there is so much of the older template still taking over, all my categories and articles and modules that I don't even use anymore and thousands of images all want to stay where they are and use the old module positions and the old plugins that made the modules (or modules that made the plugins work).
I have considered starting over with a fresh site with the prebuilt template installed and importing the content I want into the new site, just to get rid of so much of the historical stuff that I don't need, but I'm worried about starting over with the "HotSpots" map component I need to use because it is so intricate and it depends on K2 which is not, to my knowledge, going to work on Jooma 4, even though the Hotspots is Joomla 4 compatible. And I don't really understand how hard or easy it will be to get the database stuff over to the new site.
I guess my question is, given that whatever I do is going to be very involved and tedious, if I'm going to start over, shouldn't I start over with Joomla 4 with a QuickStart package of the J4 template I want? And if I do that, can I still export/import files and data from the Joomla 3 site? In other words, which is easier, exporting then importing pages from a QuickStart blank-ish site into a huge mess (like I have now), or exporting then importing data into a fresh site that has the changes to layout etc. already made?
Thinking,
Carol
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- leoalv Moderator
- 2 years 1 week ago #4
In any of the 2 scenarios (import to the existing one or import to the new one) you have to take into account that before importing you must have installed the extensions from which your content comes.
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #5
Here's a question for you now. I've looked at one way to resolve the error but I'll have to create an FTP view into the files and it will take a while. So I might as well delete the whole subdomain and start over. A day's work. So how do I make sure that the QuickStart package for Camera template will installl a Joomla 3 version? Is this possible?
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #6
Carol
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- leoalv Moderator
- 2 years 1 week ago #7
Until the previous version you could install Joomla 3.x quickstart, we have removed it because Joomla 3.x will die soon. If you start with Joomal 3.x you will have to migrate to Joomla 4 after recreating your site and this will again leave you with problems to solve.
Since you have decided to start with the Quickstart and import the content of your existing site to the new one, my recommendation is to start with Joomla 4, install Akeeba Backup so that you make backup copies before each data import, in case it goes wrong to start right from the start. previous point and not from the beginning. I also recommend before importing data from the database of your existing site, it must be migrated to Joomla 4 because in the migration changes are made in the database structures, even many data are moved to new columns, for that reason. reason you must have both sites (new and existing) in Joomla 4.
Be sure to recreate the Aliases of your menus well, so that it does not affect your indexing with Google.
Important: It is better to import only data from the old site instead of database table structures, import with table structure only from extensions that do not exist on the new site.
regards
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #8
I had not decided to start with the QuickStart at all, I was just going to refer to the QuickStart site back and forth so I could recreate it in my staging site. I was only planning to use the Camera template on the J3 site because that was what I thought I had to work with, but the template I really want to use is the UFolio template which I thought I would switch to once I had the j3 version of the site organized with the Camera template which would make the migration easier. But no matter what I thought and think, I see it all boils down to how and when I use Joomla 4.
Since I have to migrate my site that I thought was unmigrateable to a J4 version of my current/existing site now, or fumble around trying to create a J3 version of the Camera template on my current site, why not migrate the current site to J4 and then apply the Ufolio template to that. Which would/will mean erasing the new Joomla4 website I just set up and starting over with the Ufolio QuickStart instead.
So I think that's what I am going to do, but the biggest holdup to that is the K2 plugin which my map component depends on which I have to somehow come up with a fix for that before any migrating. I've written to the developer and have combed the YouTube tutorials for an answer to that, most of which is 8 or 9 years old and lots of work getting the data out of the MySQL tables which I am incompetent to do.
Just keeping your informed at this point. I'm going to spend the day on it -- starting in a couple of hours.
Carol
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- leoalv Moderator
- 2 years 1 week ago #9
1. I would make a copy of the site live
2. I install the copy of the live site on localhost
3. I install the Quikstart of the template with which I want to finish my new site (according to your words Ufolio)
4. I update all the extensions that I will keep from the old site to its latest version
5. I uninstall all the extensions that I am not going to use or that do not have a version for Joomla 4 including the template of the old site.
6. I migrate the old site to Joomla 4, It doesn't matter what it looks like.
7. I install all the new extensions that I am going to use from the Ufolio template.
8. I start to structure the content of the old site in Ufolio, if I am missing module positions I would create them in Helix >> Layout builder.
9. I start to import content that I am going to use from the Ufolio quisktar, for example home pages from SP Page builder, these are exported and imported in one click,
10. Copy configurations of modules and menus from Ufolio
11. I would start recreating content from uninstalled extensions using new extensions available for Joomla 4.
12. Testing and release.
Remember to make backup copies before each process.
Regards
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- carol New Member
- Topic Author 2 years 1 week ago #10
I just have two questions/comments for clarification:
Points #1 and #2
I instal the copy of the live site into yet another subdomain, or I just use a folder inside the current site for the copy that I'll be working on? Does it matter whether a folder or a subdomain? I hope you don't mean I should host the site on my local computer using MAMP or something like that.
Point #3
I'm installing the new Ufolio QuickStart into a new subdomain of the same site (after I delete the subdomain I just made with the Camera quickstart and the database that went with it).
Does this sound right? I think I can do all this.
Carol
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- leoalv Moderator
- 2 years 1 week ago #11
Regards
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